Texas sunlight, mercifully diffused by an overcast sky, fills Julie Kramer White’s corner office at NASA’s Johnson Space Center. It casts a glow on the moments and memories that cover the walls around her desk — icons representing decades.

Family photos with her daughter and husband. A framed print honoring her Old Masters presentation at Purdue in 2015. The day she met then-president Barack Obama, who later mentioned her by name in a speech on the Orion capsule's successful flight test: "When an American is the first to set foot [on Mars], they will have Julie and her team to thank."

Kramer White (BSAAE ’90), director of engineering for all of JSC, beams as proudly in person as she does in each photo. The view from the standing desk in her corner office extends for miles across Houston, out and past the sailboats on Clear Lake. But in her head and her work, she remains firmly grounded.

The large “Keep Calm and Carry On” print on her wall is autobiographical. Having overseen structural design on Space Shuttle for a decade; having worked through both Challenger and Columbia accidents; having led design of Orion, NASA's newest crew capsule — Kramer White is steadfast.

Towering, despite her average stature. Welcoming, despite her extraordinary status.

Hoosier State credentials

Kramer White didn’t want to be a doctor like her father. A broad public push in the ‘70s encouraged her into STEM, and as a card-carrying member of the James Doohan International Fan Club — Scotty, from Star Trek — aerospace engineering was her field. But having grown up in the Indianapolis suburb of Zionsville, she was sometimes sheepish about being a Hoosier.

“I applied to a lot of different engineering schools around the United States, you know, MIT, Stanford. But honestly, what kept me in-state was the great economic value. Plus, I could go home on the weekends and steal all the food out of my parents’ refrigerator,” she smiles, now a knowing parent of her own college student.

But when she arrived at JSC for her co-op and explained to people that Purdue was in Indiana, she got an eye-opening surprise: “One of the senior engineers pulled me aside and said, ’We know where Purdue is … in fact, I couldn’t get into Purdue … so stop saying that.’”

Launching a Career at NASA

Julie has worked at Johnson Space Center since the mid ’80s, when she first stepped foot there as a co-op student conducting thermal analysis. (NASA photo)

Kramer White had interviewed for that co-op in January 1986, what would be a pivotal time for NASA. Shortly after, the Challenger shuttle launch shook the world.

“I remember being out in front of the co-rec, and on the big screen they were showing the launch. We saw the accident happen, and then a week later, I got my job offer for my co-op position,” she says.

With Boilermaker grit, she knew not to shy away from failure. She didn’t hesitate to take the job.

On that first co-op tour, Julie did thermal analysis of the solid rocket boosters and the failed O-ring joint at fault in Challenger. She was thrilled to be on co-op again when the Discovery launch marked Shuttle’s return to flight in September 1988.

She continued working at JSC after graduating from Purdue in 1990. Apollo-era veterans like Stan Weiss, who had worked on the Lunar Lander, mentored her through those early years. They gave her good projects, let her make mistakes, and watched her grow in her roles. She rose the ranks to working in the chief engineer’s office for Space Shuttle.

Kramer White is proud to have touched every single orbiter. She loved her trips to Palmdale, California, for their maintenance and modification periods, and the hands-on nature of that work. Her responsibilities spanned from maintenance to flight certification of the wings, tail, flight surfaces and other structures. A lot of the development involved making them lighter weight, improving capabilities and allowing heavier payloads, to support building the International Space Station (ISS).

“I became very attached to the orbiters. They're a little bit like children, with their own unique attributes,” she says, pausing, stifling a sigh. “Columbia, being built very early in the program, had a lot of unique attributes.”

Processing the loss of Columbia

In February 2003, Kramer White was in California for training when she got an early morning call from her husband, Robby. Columbia had broken apart on reentry. She had to get back to Houston.

She immediately called a travel service and negotiated for 9 a.m. flight out of San Jose.

When she arrived, it was already clear that something had happened with the wings. Her job those first few weeks was to drive around to various debris fields near Lufkin, Texas and identify the pieces. She spent the following five months at Kennedy Space Center in Florida, as part of the failure analysis and materials teams. The workload was her way of dealing with the loss.

“For those of us who spent our careers working on this spacecraft, really your entire reason for being is to help prevent something like this from happening. So it was really hard for us, having lost the vehicle as well as the crew,” she says.

“To be out in the field, working long days, long weeks, down in Florida, working towards understanding what happened, and getting us back to flying, and dealing with the corrective actions that fell out of that — for me, that was the best place to process the accident.”

Building a family, and a spacecraft

In 2014, Julie Kramer White cheered from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station as the Orion spacecraft successfully completed an uncrewed launch, orbit and splashdown. It was a proud moment for her as chief engineer on the spacecraft, which is designed to journey to the Moon and Mars. (NASA photo/Radislav Sinyak)

Kramer White took a leave of absence afterward, taking time to reset, focus on herself. She and Robby had a child, Cecelia.

Returning to work at NASA’s Engineering Safety Center, she soon saw an opening for chief engineer on the Artemis mission’s crew capsule. Having worked for more than a decade on a vehicle design she inherited with Shuttle, she couldn’t miss the opportunity to make something completely new.

“Sustaining a vehicle is totally different than taking it from early concept development through requirements, bringing on a prime contractor, and then dealing with all the trials and tribulations it takes to get from paper to flight,” she says. “I pestered the engineering leadership to death, telling them why I would be great at this. They eventually acquiesced, and I stayed there for 11 years.”

Cecelia grew up alongside the Artemis crew capsule, which would later be named Orion. Cecilia went to every major flight test. She frequently heard Mom on the phone at the kitchen table, debating design decisions well into the evening. Balancing the work, Kramer White also leaned into her crafting hobby, supporting Cecelia’s interest in musical theater by building sets and sewing costumes, and creating just about anything out of paper mache.

But Cecelia didn’t want to work at NASA — until she found out they had internships for graphic arts majors.

“Last summer she worked at JSC doing illustration for Artemis public outreach. She came home every night and peppered me with questions on programs, people, history, relationships, NASA vision and mission,” Kramer White says. “She loved the people and their passion for their work, and using her skills to represent the mission through her art — and making the mission accessible to normal (non-engineering!) people.”

Kramer White has been director of engineering at JSC now for more three years, serving three years as deputy director before that. With shuttle retired and ISS having less than a decade remaining, NASA is letting commercial operators dominate low Earth orbit (LEO). Kramer White’s got eyes on the moon and beyond.

“We’re busier than ever. I’m looking at integration on the lunar surface, in-situ resource utilization, extending our human presence away from LEO,” she says.

It’s a big opportunity for anyone looking to NASA for a co-op or internship, like she did: “You’ll show up, they’ll give you a job, and you’ll say, ‘I can’t believe they’re letting me work on this.’”

A lifetime of service

A diverse employee base is important to NASA’s future success, Julie Kramer White says. She makes regular visits to Purdue, inspiring students in the Women in Engineering Program and Minority Engineering Program with opportunities in aerospace. (Purdue University photo/Alan Cesar)

Her lifelong dedication has earned Kramer White a long list of NASA medals and awards, plus the 2017 Outstanding Aerospace Engineer and 2023 Distinguished Engineering Alumni awards from Purdue. Like the Apollo-era veterans who ushered her entrance to public service, Julie Kramer White’s contributions continue to form pillars underneath the next generation of leaders in aerospace.

But 30 years of Texas sun can’t bleach the Midwest modesty out of her. Even in her corner office, inches away from a picture with a United States president, she still can’t believe it. She’s astounded to see her name alongside others who have received those awards.

Like her NASA mentors, Kramer White would likely deny it — but she, too, is a titan of aerospace.

Black and Gold within NASA

According to engineering director Julie Kramer White, 5% of all the engineers at Johnson Space Center are Purdue alumni. Only Texas A&M and UT Austin have more — which Kramer White attributes to their proximity to Houston. Look for these Boilermakers in current and future features from AAE, the College of Engineering, and Purdue University.

Sean Anderson (BSAAE ’21) - ADCO flight controller (NASA Photo)

Ray Bigonesse (BSAAE ‘94) - Rendezvous Officer for Starliner (Rebecca Robiños photo)

Allison Bolinger (BSAAE ’04) - Flight director (Rebecca Robiños photo)

Allissa Battocletti Noffke (BSAAE '11) - Spacewalk operations manager (Alan Cesar photo)

Emily Zimovan Spreen (BSAAE ‘15, MSAAE ‘17, PhDAAE ‘21) - Astrodynamicist for Gateway Mission Design (Alan Cesar photo)